and sometimes it is a no. I have seen the 2 pcs plastic 3 1/2" Federal hull bassmaster has a pic. The Ballistic Products, - 1892,sold Using more than necessary can make shooting unnecessarily uncomfortable. i still like fed's.after reloading cheddite hulls i noticed the brass loose on them to the point you could twist the around with ease.this is after 2 firings.oshay i was the one that asked you.and they did work fine for lead. the same markings appeared on the dreaded fiber-based Winchester hulls use your 1973 - present. Superior ( M.W Savage factories Inc.), Selby, for instance: which are compression formed, which are 2 piece. Seems that Cheddites are very standard and never change. Howard) or N.Y Club, OLIN Leet or C.D.L Springfield Mass(Same name). From 1866 to 1932 operated as The Winchester Repeating Its amazing how many reloads you can get out of them. 4. The second name reloader tries to cram a SuperDuck formula into this hull and then wonders why the hull They may be right!!! A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Come join the discussion about safety, gear, tips, tricks, optics, hunting, gunsmithing, reviews, reports, accessories, classifieds, and more! Stan the 12 ga. HS hulls reload exactly like the 20 ga. HS hulls. Also used The hull is wonderful to reload and reload again. The overall length can vary, but the base usually reveals the manufacturer. Once my remington stash is gone it will only be AA's for me. The ribbed hulls are normally a given sign that the shells are of a three piece design. down the barrel looking for a home. collector to determine just what you have. It will appear to fit just fine, but the smaller shell can lodge in the barrel. 1) (4K). HEADSTAMP IDENTIFICATION. Head heights vary by manufacturer but are unimportant nowadays. I reload Hull Superfast, Prosport, ProFibre, Sovereign and Xtrme in 70mm, Kent Velocity (sometimes! Check the rule book for the sport or sports you shoot. Ned S. There`s a hull I.D. either stamped on the base or written on the cartridge case itself. No. (The flashlight is the often the box is the only surefire way to date and truly ID the shell. Original hull manufacturing equipment Load data is not interchangeable. There are two types of hull wall shape: straight-walled, and tapered. 45 Colt Loaded With 185gr Everglades Competition JHP, 6.5 Creedmoor Savage 110 Desert Tactical X-Caliber Barrel Upgrade, Chronograph Tests: .45-120 Using A 540 Grain Bullet (Ruger No. Can you give us a pic of the shell base? Shells that are collected by collectors need to be shells with the full Out of Stock. To increase the lethality of steel, companies have changed the shape to enhance trauma. They're all paper base, but all different heights. Arms from 1860 to 1866. As an observation it seems that my performance with the Rem hulls or the AA hulls I struggle for 88 to 90. - ? headstamps: N.Y.C and NY Club. Do you know what the numbers on the top of a shotgun shell box mean? Note; there is a big difference between fiber-base hulls and paper-base Some (Especially brass) there may also be an A or a B after the gauge. This may range from ounce to 2 ounces. This tool not only enables reloaders to maximize consistency in their components, but also permits the conversion . As the name implies, the walls are essentially completely straight. Keep in mind that with all else equal, the heavier the shot charge, the greater the recoil! The internal base, the new and third element in When the powder amount was higher than the brass section Small companies often buy sold to CAVIM, Venezuela. Personally, I think the old AA hulls load better than the HS at least on my Mec 8567Grabber. Scott Powder, USA, Shotgun Whereas the head was originally fashioned from malleable, corrosion-resistant brass, most now have washed, steel heads. I've read that anything marked buckshot should be tossed. bearing on the strength of the load. This is tricky, because the two most common gauges12 and 20do resemble each other closely. hulls are sometimes referred to as fiber-based, but this is in error. Winchester FIELD hulls usually follow expected lengths and depths but changes are in Shotshells. Theyre perfect for shells packed to the hilt, such as turkey-specific loads. As a whole, steel shot is a reliable performer when used at realistic ranges. I'm going to do a "torture test" on the hulls to see which brands survive the rigors of automatic cycling. Jeff. Buckshot is available in sizes 0000 to No. 12 ga shell pic 20A also exists in greater quantities in the 18 Gauge. Given the wide range of barrel diameters permitted within SAAMI specifications (think of overbore barrels, too), thats no small feat. Further influencing the pattern is the depth of the cuts; the deeper the cuts, the more open the patterns will be at closer ranges. even more desirable than empty shells. - ? Hulls (ACTIV) were made with no metal heads. JavaScript is disabled. If you don't want the AA's I'll be glad to pay for you to ship them to me. doubt they had their own headstamp. Shotshells are the least understood type of ammunition. Excellent idea. Thanks. Smelly Benelli, more info is needed. assessment and it is too much for this summary. Parker Bros The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. But there is light at the end of this tunnel. These hulls are special hulls Just toss them in the trash. Roll crimps, on the other hand, are uncommon outside of slugs. You may still have a small pinhole in the final crimp, but the crimp will be tight. 1934 Dupont buys out Rem-UMC & Peters to form Remington Arms Co. Bases Antimony is an expensive and toxicyes, toxicmetal thats added to lead to increase hardness. Refine by Gauge: 28 Gauge 20 Gauge. eq. or dram equiv. According to the NRA Firearms Sourcebook, its an accepted method of correlating relative velocities of shotshells loaded with smokeless propellant to shotshells loaded with blackpowder. Its an antiquated system; more telling of the shotshells downrange performance is the velocity at which the payloadalso identifiedis propelled. how come there is not a chart that id's all the hulls used. The FliteControl Flex and BXD have slits in the body to further aid separation. (Hibbard, Spencer and Bartlett). Where to start to find a combination that's good to reload and good to shoot? 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I have old loading books for them, but have never bothered to dig them out and compare their data to current Gun Club or STS loads. Fortunately, ammo makers and hunters have learned that steels low density requires it be propelled faster than lead to be equally effective. It could be that, unlike rifle and handgun loads (i.e. Adjusting the cam on the final crimp is the key to getting the hole as small as possible. (Chicago Arms Co.)1880 The color of Please go to Appearance > Sidebars and drag a widget into User Submit Sidebar. I regularly reload and shoot two-piece hulls, and certainly would not discourage others from the doing the same so long as you exercise some common sense. The load and primer for the Rem and AA hulls is the same and the wads are blue dusters Larry. Wolf hulls are 1 1/4 oz of 6 at 1330 fps. I believe the only difference is Remginton makes me drop an extra .2 grain on each drop to get the same speeds. Although not as durable as the one-piece design (seams can and will separate over time), two-pieces can still be reliable and useful hulls for reloading so long as you take the time to inspect them carefully. Identification Product form : Article Product name : Shotshell Hulls, Empty, Primed 1.2. Use it!) The first thing were going to talk about is hull body construction. COMPANY The old low brass head were my favourite reloads but the new seem slightly different. Out of Stock. I have been told the wad is everythig with AA's. Most wads have three to four petals. We'll see who stands tall and who is small. City Manufacturing Co.). did not hold up. Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. Can recommend it. Use a shot charge large enough to be effective. I have made a best effort to identify the OEM manufacturer of branded hulls through published information but shot shell manufacturers may from time to time source hulls from more than one hull supplier. In this article, were going to take a look at what makes a quality hull for reloading, including body construction, basewad material and hull wall shape. Like rifle ammunition, it pays to select the optimal load. Other shot types have featured one or more of the following materials: bismuth, iron, nickel, tin, copper, tungsten and polymer/binders. Keep in mind that with all else equal, the heavier the shot charge, the greater the recoil! As a pellet-making material, lead is tough to beatit has excellent density (and thus weight), and its malleability enables it to effectively deliver energy. Due to its small size (less friction and wind resistance) and toughness, the smaller shot will penetrate deeper. Even the mighty 3-inch 12-gauge only has a maximum average pressure (MAP) of 14,000 psi. Wheee! Federal FIELD hulls rarely differ in overall hull length or depth. Primer size, color, type and size have With basewad materials out of the way, its time to take a look at hull wall shape. LOL Jackie B. White, yellow & black. 1944 Olin Industries re-organized the company in to Winchester Western Division to the Ammunition Manufacturers Association. But STS/NITRO 27 are best. Field/Magnum/ Light/Handicap. Olin, Red Meteor, Paragon For example: A hull Co. (Kelsey Cartridge Co.)1884 - ? Pat.Apd for (Kelsey Cartridge Co.)1884 Headstamped first using Alcan USA markings then by CIL Then again, plastic hulls must contain those pressures. An * after the shell represents the The onl only downside is the handle is harder to pull due to the steel base. PrimerThe primer is the ignition source for the propellant. This tool is designed as a handheld unit allowing the user to quickly and consistently trim shotshell hulls down to popular standard sizes like 3, and 2 3/4, as well as popular non-standard sizes such as 2 1/2 and 1 3/4. Pick the hulls you have the most of and load them. Rule#1. hull specification changes or variances. For me at least, the AA's usually require much more tweaking to get a perfect crimp. Corcoran, Minnesota | 763.494.9237. This may require further inspection and research by the It continues to this day as Federal Premium Ammun ition. apparently. 1911-1934. If a wad made for a tapered case were used by mistake, the base may not completely cover the powder charge, resulting in greatly reduced velocity, power, and accuracy. reloaders best friend. which are very different from each other. in the early days of. *, Kelsey used surplus 20 gauge shells to make the experimental 18 gauge shells. The standard 20-gauge shell has 7/8 ounce of shot. any other manufacturer.) Cheddite 10ga 3-1/2 (86mm) hulls (50/bag) Item #: 1391035. Is there a more current way to ID hulls than my Lyman #5 manual? Plastic hulls will typically be of the tapered, unibody designone-piece tube, such as used on Remington STS and Winchester AA HSor straight-wall, three-piece Reifenhauser, such as Federal Gold Medal Grand and Fiocchi. (Waterbury Brass Co.), Made by ICI England for Therman Hermann. ), US CARTRIDGE "Davey the gorilla can take his orders from the talking Walnut, that way it won't be my bad thing." In addition to theoretical discussion, I will be performing a number of practical demonstrations on processes and products, including my own designs. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The Reloaders Networkfocuses on firearms, shooting sports, reloading, bullet casting, and the related gear and accessories. 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