COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. give me a break. Thoughts? Cause if it was the way CW said she would have fought back. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. Police photos @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Not on his hands around her throat? Addendum: The cadaver dog wasaso very interested in the washing machine and his handler, Jayne, says quite clearly that her dog has scented death by the machine (check the K9 video, but watch the volume, the cadaver dogs bark is quite shrill! My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. Want to keep up with the latest. So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! They said they found paper bags around both her hands. Where was all the money from that house? There is supposed to be a black smear mark on one of her pillows, possibly from makeup she was wearing, indicating that she was crying. That sounds very very snarky. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) Shananns mother Sandra Rzucek told police she suspected foul play and suspected Chris, saying he was acting weird and out of the ordinary. No, this does not indicate that she was still alive. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. The ground was visible disturbed. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. (He left the house as the sun was coming upmore on this below). With her like this would the conspiracy theory about her killing not happening until Tues or Wed not be possible? Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. He didnt know what to do and was shaking. I really think that the pregnancy started the whole thing. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. He stated in a letter to the reporter woman that he remembers her face streaking with mascara and blood filling her eyes. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. And so on. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. Thankyou. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. How was she about her childrens allergies? I am doing a project for school and i would like to have a look at them. Celestes stomach was empty. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? Have you read the 2000 page discovery? I just dont understand this. Which she combed over the menu trying to come up with that amount for one person. Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. x, Ive said this before. Typo. Colorado is very rural. He didnt attempt to revive the children or call for help. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. I agree. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. Esophagus: .. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. He may not of been able to face their killings but if he was distant, cold, towards her, like the reports say, he wouldnt of had a problem killing her by strangulation if he was emotionally distant. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. Your thoughts? If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. So if his parents are doing interviews and book deals, he gets it honest I reckon. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. "Chris Watts Just Snapped" "Why wasn't Shan'ann's body dumped into the oil tanks as well?" #Shakedown's Call on the Chris Watts Case: The Bodies were "Processed" @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. Not a single drop of blood on the bed sheets, and she winged him apparently with her nails on his neck. If anything, I would say its more like few / some. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. He was an operator for Anadarko. No, it doesnt. This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. Did anyone explain that? police fileA picture Shanann sent a friend. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. What is going on?? Why was the oil/sludge found in Bellas stomach? I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? Correct. Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. 2. He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. @Nick, regarding OCD. To do her business? This would also suggest that the Stranglehold was done with a right arm, as this would correlate to the right-sided internal bruising, and the left-sided external bruising. The children were accustomed to regularly taking medication; it would have been very simple for CW to simply give them a couple extra pills to swallow while they were relaxing watching TV after their dinner, and once they were sedated, wrap a plastic bag around their heads. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. For nothing. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". 2. She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. @nickdvl. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. Everyone tho he was great guy. Now i fully beleive NK was in on plan, her idea to put bodies in tanks to help disolve them. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. Bellas stomach contained 75 milliliters of green-black fluid, the report states, which was most likely from the oil tank she was placed inside. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. Neither of them passed any body fluids. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. A monster! On page one of the report in the list of Diagnoses, it states:- Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. There is a text I think to chris. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. Required fields are marked *. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. On the police cams you can just see hi. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? Maintaining compression in a Stranglehold after unconsciousness is rendered may result in death. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. > Most do not, really? I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? @nickvdl Hi. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. Everything you say can & has been disputed. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. She didnt nick him in the neck, that mark was not from her nails. And dropped her in alive? It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. There was no oil in Ceces stomach. I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. How would you have reacted in her situation? Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. Youre not Shanann Watts. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). Everything else was secondary or something to be minimized so she could focus on her addiction. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. FACT: God I wish she had taken the girls and just got the heck out of there. Youre obviously trolling! She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? I think he came up behind her as she was getting ready for bed, after her long trip, and he put her in a choke hold then. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? She even labelled food in her kitchen. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. He is a monster. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. Have they watched something? My opinion, when Nicole Atkinson said Shanann was OCD, I think she was using the term loosely, as a description, not a diagnosed disorder. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. Plenty of women do. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? Blood Alcohol. I did. These may have been caused by an object, such as a necklace worn by the victim, or fabric, such as heavy-duty leather (such as a motorcycle jacket being worn by the murderer), and being compressed between the arm of the assailant and the neck/face of the victim. Maybe body positioning and gravity? I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. Your email address will not be published. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. Areas of bruising, internal. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. Even the few days shannan was gone. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. It was almost too much to absorb at one reading. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. Or perhaps Chris had one with himself by way of rationalizing killing his family, although I dont think it was emotional. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. Im a survivor. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. 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